Are you a Communist or a Socialists?

So i never get enough freedom on here to directly attack nor argue your absolutly assinine points. So i%26#039;ll adress this as such.

A Socialists believes that individuals are wards of the state. That each person is not an individual but a part of the group responsible for the wellfare of the whole. In this system weath and success are punished and inovation and merit are discouraged. i.e western Europe.

A communist Believes that there is no such thing as personal. That the state runs/owns everything. That no individual does anything for personal gain. Instead it is done for the whole of the society. In this system weath only exsists in the hands of the govt. and sucess and merit are non existant.

Both these forms of govt have come at the cost of countless millions of lifes. In each of these systems unemployment rates are as high as 25%. Poverty is as high as 30-40%. Yet these are the systems that care for it%26#039;s citiznery. So what are you a Commi or a Socialists?

Are you a Communist or a Socialists?credot siosse

neither, they are both horrible.

when given no motivation to work, you don%26#039;t.... just that simple.

capitalism is awesome, its the only way to get what you want out of life. set your goals and go for it!

Are you a Communist or a Socialists?

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Neither, I%26#039;m a capitalist that believes in freedom and is opposed to these various levels of control of freedom placed on people through Socialism, Communism, the Democrat Party, Totalitarian Dictatorships and Monarchies.|||What kind of a dumb @SS question is this????

First you tell how bad both systems are ( rightfully so) then you ask what one are we???? That%26#039;s just DUMB!

Capitalism has given the world the industrial revolution, the Jet Age, the Space age, and now the techno age.

It has produced the highest standard of living the world has ever known. In a little over a hundred years, we have come from outhouses and mules pulling plows, to the world where almost everyone has a house, a car a TV and a computer.

God Bless America! and our Capitalist system of prosperity.

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Mr Guason: The only reason the USSR only showed 4% unemployment is that the people were forced to work in jobs the GOVERNMENT put them in. They didn%26#039;t choose a career, they were PLACED in a job. Also the facts were reported by the Kremlin, not any independent polls or free market figures. All information was strictly controlled by teh government.

Second , as for the Olympics....it is well known that the Soviets were training their contestants 24-7 with the best facilities and trainers they could find. Clearly a violation of the rule at the time that only AMATURE athletes could compete. While our contestants were going to school full time and practicing their sport on weekends and evenings at their own cost ( according to the rules) the Soviets were training a psuto professional team.With professional trainers and gyms.

Get your facts straight. Also as for the space program ....whos flag is waiving on the Moon????

.|||I am Canadian, and we have a government system known as %26#039;modified free enterprise%26#039; which is basically a combination of capitalist/socialist ideas. Every system has its downfalls, but I do very much love being Canadian, and am glad our government provides the services it does. I think things could use improvement, but that improvement only comes with enlightenment of our citizens and by the action of those we elect to speak for us.|||Your definitions are very skewed and frankly, wrong. Your choice of how you define these forms of government have narrowed on some negative aspects much like someone could define capitalism as a method that has a perpetual poor class that has no attainment to success.

Socialism is the collective good of society in a controlled fashion. Governments like France are more socialist leaning than democratic. Socialism and democracy are not exclusive of each other. The US has many socialistic policies too such as medacare and social security. In a capitalist society as defined in its purist form, these would not exist.

Communism is about each individual giving according to his ability and taking according to his needs. The government is charged with ensuring laziness and greed do not win in the definitions of ability and need. Just because communism has not worked in its purist form does not mean, much like capitalism or socialism, that its concepts are bad.

Each form of government has negatives and positives. I would not want to live in a purely capitalist society any more than I would a communist one.

I would like to see a society that ensures its people can get affordable health care, can allow its seniors to retire with dignity, provide education to its young, and provide freedom to its people. Any society can do that.

A purely capitalist society would leave people to their own devices. This includes getting your own education and worrying about your own medical and retirement expenses.

Open your eyes and stop looking at the world in a black and white manner.|||First of all, where did you get your stats? If you are going to %26quot;attack%26quot; something first get your sh*t straight. During the USSR period, the unemployment rate never reached the 4% mark.

Second, they were the first ones to develop a space program, and were kicking the USA%26#039;s in the Olympics for many Olympic Games, how can be that possible if, according to you, it doesn%26#039;t promote innovation and merit?

Third, Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

Do you really believe that the wealth is proportionate to everyone in this system?

Last and more important, COMMUNISM is THE CLIMAX OF CAPITALISM!|||If you already have all the answers, why ask?

Your question strongly smells of third-hand (mis)information, your figures seem to be out of phantasy land, and your ideas about Western Europe are absolutely outlandish. In Europe industral workers work shorter hours for better pay, you get a halfways decent health system for Everybody, and you are looked after in old age (still). How the French are supposed to have arrived at their present system at the cost of millions of lives is beyond my powers of deduction. They got there because the majority of the population wanted it that way. It%26#039;s a system called democracy.

I live in a country where even the taoiseach (prime minister) publicly calls himself a socialist. (It was a lie, alas). In Europe you%26#039;d rather be called a communist than a apologist for capitalism. Nothing against a market economy, but it has to be supervised and controlled by the state, i.e. all the citizens, not only the rich ones. Most Europeans would really see no benefits in unbridled capitalism, and rightly so.|||Your definitions are *dead wrong.* I am a socialist, though not a communist, and I detest every belief you ascribe to socialists. I generally use Ben Tucker%26#039;s definition of socialism from *Armies that Overlap:*

%26quot;Socialism is the belief that the next important step in progress is a change in man鈥檚 environment of an economic character that shall include the abolition of every privilege whereby the holder of wealth acquires an anti-social power to compel tribute.%26quot;

http://fair-use.org/benjamin-tucker/inst...

Community ownership and the like are proposed means, but not the only proposed means, to create socialism. Tucker, like Proudhon, saw socialism as the natural result of a genuinely free market, and capitalism as the actually-existing result of the state%26#039;s support of favored businesses.

Many socialists reject the state. I am an anarchist, and anarchism has always had close toes with socialism. The early anarchist communist Joseph Dejacque was an outspoken individualist. He wrote that:

%26quot;L鈥櫭ゞo?sme, c鈥檈st l鈥檋omme : sans l鈥櫭ゞo?sme, l鈥檋omme n鈥檈xisterait pas. C鈥檈st l鈥櫭ゞo?sme qui est le mobile de toutes ses actions, le moteur de toutes ses pens茅es.%26quot;

http://libertarian-labyrinth.blogspot.co...

I%26#039;m not an egoist but this should show the variety of beliefs, approaches, and attitudes which have called themselves socialist or communist.|||I%26#039;m an individual, Mr. Neo/con fascist person who thinks he can define every liberal by looking in Rush Limburger%26#039;s book on liberal personalities. But why waste my time...Your kind will never understand what individual means.|||Oh hon, the world is definitely NOT black and white, and therein lies the fallacy of your reasoning.

And does it occur to you when you say on this site that you %26quot;hate%26quot; people that perhaps there are people who hate you, too?

P.S. Your definitions are wrong from the get-go because socialism and communism are NOT forms of government but economic systems.|||I live in a capitalist country (America) were the largest % of the poor are single mothers. I want to live in a socialist society. Capitalism is the Devil%26#039;s wet dream.